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Joss Whedon when asked what his greatest achievement in “The Avengers” was. (Because we all needed to learn an archaic way to call someone a “whining cunt”. That’s something to be proud of.)
#YOU MAKE IT SO HARD TO NOT HATE YOU SOMETIMES JOSS #having loki call black widow a ‘mewling quim’ is not the issue for me #but having a male creator feel SO DAMN PLEASED about getting that expression in there is awful
I’ve seen a lot of discussion on this and tbh I don’t even think the line was a bad line, though it made the moderately interesting gender nuances of that scene a bit crashingly unsubtle (also it seemed weirdly out-of-character given that Loki didn’t exactly evince any particularly sexist opinions elsewhere, despite his general evil?), but oh my god Joss Whedon please never say anything where I can see it ever again you are the smuggest toolbag
The only thing I hate in the world more than people who think Joss Whedon is a feminist superhero as opposed to a nerd writer who, y’know, thinks women are people and is occasionally pleased with his own work are [REDACTED]
I agree with the aforementioned re: Joss’s smugness over this line being stupid and harmful, BUT I have strong opinions about it being a great line in and of itself, in that it’s a very in-character thing for Loki to say. Throughout that whole scene he’s trying to get his fingers into Natasha’s weak spots, and although he doesn’t crack her, he knows where to look. He’s got her backstory from Barton, but he’s also got the simple fact that she’s the only woman in a strong male team, and where he goes wrong is making the assumption that her issues around that might be similar to Sif’s. Because Asgard has its own gender roles/strictures (and so, one assumed, its own gender-based insults) and reminding a female warrior of her mere femininity, or simply the fact that femininity is considered weak by others, would be a simple way to wound.
I don’t think Loki gives a frank shit about her gender. I think he’s using whatever tools he’s got to hand. His problem is that where that would get a rise out of Sif, Natasha’s built a career out of leveraging her mere femininity into underestimation, so such an insult just rolls straight off her.
Here is the link to the actual interview: http://whedonesque.com/comments/28797 Which, by the way, is conducted by a “reporter” named Rutherford D. Actualperson. So. You already know it’s real journalism! Also this:
RDA: What message would you give fans of “the Lavenders” who are not so familiar with your previous work?
JW: “Cabin In the Woods”: still in (some) theaters!
RDA: Is ‘the Ravengers” a perfect movie? It did get an A+ cinemascore…
JW: There are very few perfect movies. “The Court Jester”, “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, “Godfather” I & II… The list does not go on and on. “The Avengers” is notably IMperfect, which makes its success mean so much more to me — because it’s striking a chord that matters MORE than its obvious flaws. Like the team, it appears to be more than the sun of its parts. Boo-yah!
RDA: What do you feel is the greatest achievement of “the Avoiders”?
JW: Getting “mewling quim” out there to the masses. Also, Hulk.
Hm… what about this looks like a serious interview to you guys??? I was at first fairly disturbed that Joss would seem so gleeful about such a gendered insult; I had no problems with Loki using it, though I admit it did seem harsh to me, but when it looked like Joss was serious that looked pretty disgusting. And then I went and found the source and gosh, guess what, 95% of the source is an obvious joke. So if you think people should never be able to joke about the stuff they’ve made, then I guess go on with being mad about it; but otherwise, take a look through the ‘interview’ and see if it changes your mind. Because it’s obviously an enormous joke, aimed to showcase just how ridiculous it would be if he was proud of that. - fanfoolishness